Tucker Carlson: Why You Can’t Sue Big Pharma

The New York Times claims the evil Bobby Kennedy wants to ban the polio vaccine and paralyze children.

That’s an absurd lie, explains his lawyer, Aaron Siri.

(0:00) The Establishment’s Attempt to Discredit Bobby Kennedy Jr.
(8:18) The Vaccine Religion
(18:57) Did Anyone Protest This Polio Vaccine?
(21:04) How the Government Protects Vaccine Developers
(30:51) The New York Times vs. Bobby Kennedy Jr.
(50:31) Why Is Nobody Lobbying Against This?
(55:03) How Profitable Is the Vaccine Industry?
(1:06:22) The Perversion of Science
(1:10:47) Siri Risked Everything to Speak Out
(1:25:57) The Dark Link Between Abortion and the Vaccine Industry
(1:43:39) Will Bobby Kennedy Jr. Be Confirmed?

Transcript:

Tucker [00:00:00] So you’re Bobby Kennedy’s lawyer. Bobby Kennedy has been nominated by President Trump to be the Secretary of Health and Human Services at HHS. This is just my quick summary. Has a very large constituency in the United States. He’s not some anonymous character. He’s a guy who’s been around for many, many years and has many, many fans. So it’s hard for his opponents, who are many in Washington, to take him on directly. And so they are trying to discredit him preemptively before the vote. This is my read, and the latest way that they have done this is by accusing him and you of trying to limit access of Americans to the polio vaccine, the one vaccine that most people think is great. I think that’s a fair summary.

Aaron Siri [00:00:50] I would say they accused us of trying to eliminate the polio vaccine. The New York Times headline was right. That was far to get rid of the polio vaccine for polio. That was the headline that everybody picked it up.

Tucker [00:01:25] So you are, as we say, objectively pro-polio. Yeah. In the characterization of The New York Times.

Aaron Siri [00:01:31] It’s a classic retort. If you question anything about the safety of these products or even their efficacy or the clinical trials or the post ledger safety. The typical retort is, so you want everybody to have polio.

Tucker [00:01:43] You desperately want kind of a life goal.

Aaron Siri [00:01:45] It’s a product. We’re just asking questions.

Tucker [00:01:49] Or just asking questions is not allowed. I’ve been penalized for just asking questions, No questions. So, okay, so that’s the context for this question. What is your position on the polio vaccines? And I think as you speak, you were also suggesting what Bobby Kennedy might think. You are his lawyer, but you tell me…

Aaron Siri [00:02:08] So the what The New York Times did is they purposefully. Knowingly. Misled the entire country into believing. That a petition that I filed on behalf of a client, not my petition or my client’s petition, not Mr. Kennedy. He was not the client. A petition I never spoke to him about, ever. Nor did my client. Sought to eliminate the polio vaccine. That was the headline. And therefore, because I’m Mr. Kennedy’s lawyer, in some instances, my firm has almost 80 people. We have lots of clients. Including Mr. Kennedy, including many others. And because we filed a petition on behalf of a different client, nothing to do with him that questioned one polio vaccine, by the way, and its licensure and only has two children. I’ll get into that somehow. He wants to get rid of the polio vaccine, and they knew it was untrue when they published it for the following simple reason, first of all. And if they didn’t know this, they’re not fit to be a high school newspaper. Okay. One the petition. Only sought review. And this is a petition to the FDA only sought review as to one of six licensed polio vaccines and only has two children. Why? What was the basis of the petition, which, by the way, should have been the headline? This particular polio vaccine license in 1990, not the Salk vaccine. It’s not the Sabin vaccines, not the vaccine that you think of when you hear the polio vaccine. Okay. This vaccine was based on a novel technology. You need to grow a virus in some kind of cultural medium. Here they use something called vero cells. These are chromosomal modified monkey kidney cells. That are rendered immortal, just like cancer cells. They mean they’ll grow forever, just like cancer cells. And they end up as an ingredient in every single vial. The clinical trial relied upon to license this brand new novel, Polio vaccine in 1990, reviewed safety for literally three days after injection. Three days. That sounds incredible. It sounds like it cannot be true, but it is on the FDA website. On behalf of my client, we followed the FDA for all the clinical trial reports, for the summary basis of approval. We tortured them for years, basically saying, come on, there’s got to be more than this. You license based on three days of safety review. In the clinical trial after injection with no control group, there’s no way you could know the safety of this product before you licensed it to be injected. Control group is no control group.

Tucker [00:05:03] Is there control group of requisite for a scientific experiment because you need a baseline. What you compare it to.

Aaron Siri [00:05:10] The best you could do is compare it to the background rate, which is almost impossible because then you have to figure out the background rate for that exact demographic. It essentially renders the trial useless for safety. But here’s the thing. Even if they had a control group. Tucker, Even if they did. With three days to state your view, what are your viewing? It takes weeks, often for even any immune dysregulation caused by the product to appear, just like it takes at least many weeks for you to build up, let’s say, antibodies to the target antigen in the vial. Exactly. If you’re going to have self attacking antibodies, those take weeks as well to develop it. And oftentimes when you’re giving it to a baby, this product is given out to four and six months. If they’re going to have an immune dysregulation, if they’re going to have a developmental issue, you’re not going to know that for years. Asthma is not even diagnosed until a few years of age. Developmental issues are take years. And so, you know, a lot of the issues that we see I mentioned, you know, my firm’s got about 40 people that just do vaccine work. We do other things. We just do vaccine work. And so and we don’t represent pharmaceutical companies. So as far as I know, we have the biggest vaccine practice in the world that doesn’t represent pharmaceutical companies. One of the practices we have as vaccine injury claims, we don’t see pharmacy companies. You can’t. They have immunity to liability since 1986, the only product like that. But you can’t sue the federal health authorities in this little program. And so, you know, are a lot of the injuries that we see when we do that work are immune or immune mediated neurological disorders. And those things are not going to appear until typically a few days after vaccination. So this trial, going back to this polio vaccine called this, that was the subject of this petition. It was utterly useless to determine its safety.

Tucker [00:06:59] So I’m a couple quick questions, please. I’ve never heard of that. I’ve never heard of an experiment without a control group in three days is obviously inadequate to judge the the safety of or the efficacy for that matter, of a product. So how did federal health regulators sign off on that?

Aaron Siri [00:07:17] You know, that’s an excellent question. Why would the FDA agree to license it? Right. It’s a great question. And we could talk about regulatory capture. We could talk about the ideological beliefs that the folks who are involved in cyber and which is the biologics division of the FDA. And within that, there’s an office called the IVR. That’s the where the vaccines are actually licenses are reviewed. And I’ve met some of the folks who’d been in that department and they’re very much. I don’t know if the I guess ideologues, you know, they believe almost a priority priority in the safety of these products, even when they’re experimental to such a degree that I guess they let products like this. And I should tell you, if you think that.

Tucker [00:08:05] Because they believe the category of products is so virtuous that the details aren’t important.

Aaron Siri [00:08:11] I’m speculating. Right. The important point is they did it. Why they did it, we could speculate on, but they did it well.

Tucker [00:08:19] So I do. But I do want to ask you to pause and try to solve a mystery that I’ve been thinking about for a long time. And I and I don’t I really don’t understand it. What accounts for the religious attachment of certain people, particularly affluent, well-educated people, to vaccines as a category? I mean, there are a million medicines out there and prophylactics and all kinds of treatments for all kinds of diseases. But people take a kind of cooler, less emotional view of them and chemotherapy and saves lives. But there are downsides to chemotherapy. And most people are, you know, kind of wing it out. Is it worth taking chemo or not? Right. But vaccines quickly become religious like almost immediately. Like even the word has an emotional power that no other treatment or medicine does. And and this has been true for a long time. Why is that? What is that?

Aaron Siri [00:09:12] Well, I’m a, have you noticed this? Absolutely. There’s an irony in the following way. Those who often don’t want to receive vaccines, I find here are the ones not always who have taken the time to really look at the clinical trials, the post licensure safety, to understand these products more objectively. The CDC will tell you that the people have the highest rates of completely unvaccinated kids, are ones with PhDs and are highly educated, often in the sciences. So what are they learning? What are they understanding that caused them not to receive these products? And so I find the quote unquote, those who oppose vaccines, you know, whatever pejorative one wants to use about them.

Tucker [00:09:54] They’re the ones who believe the science.

Aaron Siri [00:09:56] Oftentimes. And that’s just not me saying it. I mean, I’m saying that they when they survey because they’ve try to identify who are the populations of using these products, they find it’s the they’re disproportionately highly educated. There are some folks who don’t have access to care and they just don’t get it because they don’t get it right. But those who consciously choose typically very highly educated. Now, to answer your question, which is have I seen religion almost when it comes to these products? Yes, I have. But it comes from often the side of the folks who want to make you get them force people to do it. You must believe what I believe about these products. That’s right. You must submit.

Tucker [00:10:36] How dare you ask questions?

Aaron Siri [00:10:38] Do not ask questions. You must just believe and you often hear it in the following. I’ve never heard people say I believe in statins. Well, that I believe in, right? I believe in vaccines. That’s the language they use as the language of religion. Right. And you’re asking me to speculate or speculate, which I prefer usually for not to do, but is for a lot of people. And I found this with a lot of the vaccinologist who, you know, who have deposed and interacted with their often a lot of them are atheists and maybe they were brought up in a certain religion, but they have now become atheists. And I think when somebody doesn’t have religion in their life, any religion, they don’t believe in God. Some God. Ends up with a an empty space that needs to be filled with something. They have to believe in something. How do you not believe in something in this life? You have to have meaning. It’s got to be a really dark place to not believe. To believe. Everything came from nothing. And if you do, I you know, I’m speculating that vaccines start holding a place of religion, that they look to it as, see, this saved us. This is what saved humanity. And I and I think there’s maybe some to a degree of that, that this notion that vaccines are especially those in the medical profession. And I’ll give you an example. You know, I’ll use the example of measles, like the great killer that you’ll often hear. You know, they make you feel like everyone’s going to die if you don’t get measles vaccines. Well, here’s the thing. Public health authorities. Should take credit for the decline in measles deaths in America. They should. But they should take credit in the following way. Between the year 1900, I saw on the CDC website when about you and the year 1960, 61, 62, the years before the first measles vaccine in America, 1963, the mortality rate for measles declined by over 98%. Yes. Over 90%. That is, you can just go pull up the mortality data on the CDC website. This is uncontroversial. It’s just data what I just said. Some people get emotional about it, but it’s just data. What I just said, how they.

Tucker [00:12:55] Get emotional.

Aaron Siri [00:12:56] For the reasons we just discussed. That decline had nothing to do with vaccines. You know how I know there was no measles vaccine? That’s all I know.

Tucker [00:13:05] What caused that decline.

Aaron Siri [00:13:07] I think that in part it’s the public health. Health authorities should take a lot of credit for that. Nutrition, better sanitation, clean water, getting sewage running out of the streets. Right. Right. All of these things, initiatives to make sure that there’s natural light that remember all the tenement buildings. Yes. All these initiatives, even basic things like quarantine. If you’re sick. Not that not the kind of forced kind of stay at home stuff that we’re talking about. Just if you’re sick, hey, maybe you should stay at home in bed kind of stuff. And so that decline, 98 over 90%. You know, many people died in the few years on average, a year before there was the first measles vaccine in 1963 when parts of this country were still like the developed world, around 400 Americans a year died. That’s 1 in 500,000 Americans died of measles in the years before they were vaccine. Every death is a tragedy. And measles can still kill people, just like any virus can in parts of the world that are really underdeveloped. Any virus can kill children or adults. And there are still pockets of America in the early 60s that were like that. But that declining rate of mortality, it was a trajectory that was ongoing even when the measles vaccine was introduced in 63. So those 400 deaths which have now gone down, how much of that is attributable to measles vaccine? How much of it is to the continued efforts of public health agencies? Right. That could be debated forever. We don’t need to. But the important point is this. Long way to answer your question is this. When you listen to public health authorities today, they will say to you, measles is what causes. Klein Measles vaccine is what caused the decline in mortality. They never talk about those other things that they did. They never talk about the increased sanitation that the better all the all the different effective measures that they took to get it down by 90% in this.

Tucker [00:15:03] And suddenly they-

Aaron Siri [00:15:03] Talk about that last 1%, but they make it seem like the vaccine which caused that last 1% of decline from 1900 or some actually even say they caused it. You could argue it’s up to one point something percent for the measles vaccine. You can’t argue it’s more than that and the decline is possible. But they ignore that. And the only thing they’ll point to is a measles. Excuse me. Measles vaccine is what saved us. And that’s true of most of the vaccines, actually, when you look at the number of people that died in the year before the vaccine, typically the mortality had precipitously decline for diptheria, for tetanus, for almost every disease decline 80 or 80, 90% before the introduction from the year 1900 introduction of the first vaccine. And often times in the year before, you were down to a dozen or two months, a dozen or two dozen deaths, you know, for most of these things. So, you know. That when you talk about religious beliefs. But yet. Many in the medical community. They’ll say, Wow, how could you not take a vaccine? Millions in America would die. And that’s an incredible statistic to think millions in America would die a year if you don’t get vaccinated. Because if you just add up the number of deaths in the year before, every vaccine that is that is now on the schedule, putting aside Covid vaccine, because there were hundreds of thousands of deaths and before the vaccine. Right. They say. And you can argue whether the vaccine. Reduced mortality, though there was increased all cause mortality afterwards. Putting aside the flu shot, which the science is clear, doesn’t reduce mortality based on numerous reviews like cork and crab bullet collaboration, which I understand now is owned by the Gates Foundation. So maybe those studies will change soon. You. You’re at thousands of deaths, thousands total. And. And many of those were occurring in years, long before the, you know, the current acute care that we provide, the current increases in all the other factors that cause a reduction in mortality to begin with. So. But nonetheless, this is the only thing they want to point to is, is vaccines. You know, so I, I think that that’s maybe what it is. There’s just it fills a space of they have to believe in something and these products fill that space for them. Because I find a lot of times you can’t really have an objective converse, a non-emotional, objective conversation with with with some people about these products and they are just products.

Tucker [00:17:47] Was this review the polio the one of six licensed polio vaccines in question you said received its license in 1990. That was 35 years ago. Did anyone over the course of 35 years say, wait a second, you know, the process used to evaluate its the safety of this product was like a joke. Woefully insufficient. They would say anything about it for all those years up until recently.

Aaron Siri [00:18:11] Well, my client, a Fox and Action Network Icahn, has been beating on their drum now for, you know, a good eight, almost eight years with the FDA, starting with an extensive letter about all of these shortcomings in 2017. I can was from the end of 2016. And you might say well. The vaccine had been licensed for decades at that point. You know what? Why now? Well, first I cam was just form then to really to really start looking at these things. And also, you know, in 1986, there was something called the National Tal, the Vaccine Injury Act that was passed. I familiar with that. And basically leading up to 1986, there were only three routine vaccines. The United States. That’s it. A child in the first year of life received three injections, according to the CDC schedule. Okay. Problem is, is that. And what?

Tucker [00:19:09] What were they?

Aaron Siri [00:19:10] DTP, OPV and MMR.

Tucker [00:19:13] For the layman. What are those?

Aaron Siri [00:19:14] So one is DTP with tetanus. Pertussis. So that’s one vaccine OPV, which is oral polio vaccine. And then MMR is museum measles, mumps, rubella vaccine. So each of those are counted three three different vaccines on the market, the three separate products.

Tucker [00:19:30] So that was the state of play as of 1986.

Aaron Siri [00:19:33] That was the state of play. That’s it. And they were causing so much financial losses to the manufacturers of those three products. And there were many companies that made those products that all of them went out of business or stopped making them, except there was one company remaining for each of them and they were threatening to go out of business, too. Now. Congress, in its wisdom, should have let them do what every other manufacturer does for every other product. You make a plane that falls out of the sky, make a better plane. You make you make a car. That gas tank blows up, make a better car. You make a drug that’s causing people to have all kinds of complications. Make a better drug. Instead, Congress said, you know what, actually. We’ll just make it so nobody can sue you for the injuries that.

Tucker [00:20:23] These companies have out of business because of lawsuits from people who were injured.

Aaron Siri [00:20:27] That’s right. They were going to go there. That’s right. They were coming to incredible financial losses because of the injuries these products are causing. And so, you know, when you think about it, drugs don’t have this immunity. But Congress passed a National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act of 1986, and that gave them immunity for any injuries from those products. But not only those three products, any other vaccine, childhood routine, childhood vaccine that came on the market thereafter. And so we have gone. From three injections in the first year of life on the CDC schedule, the ones we just talked about. Two If you look at the CDC schedule today, you get 29 injections in the first year of life. If you if your child gets all of the vaccines that is currently on the CDC’s just in the first year of life schedule, I’m not even counting the four shots that you’re supposed to get in pregnancy now, which didn’t exist back in 86. And that assumes you don’t get any combination vaccines. That’s what you would get. That’s the differential between then and now. And in that same time period, we have gone from under 13% of kids in America have a chronic health issue. In the early eighty’s to well over 50% of kids today have a chronic health issue. And many of those issues that have exploded are from.

Tucker [00:21:46] 86.

Aaron Siri [00:21:46] To 86 to present. Yes, And many of those chronic health issues amongst children that have exploded are immune mediated or immune mediated conditions. Okay. So something is gone wrong with the immune system of our children. Not saying vaccines cause that or are all of that rise, but what I am saying is that we do know that vaccines can cause a number of immune and immune mediated neurological conditions, including some of the conditions that we have seen explode since the early 80s. It’s obviously not the only environmental change. I because something in the environment had to change between the early eighty’s and today to cause this dysregulation in our children’s immune system to cause all this chronic disease. Was it vaccines? Was it pesticides? Is it the all the new chemicals that are kind of on food? There’s a whole host of factors to look at. But when you’re talking about immune system dysregulation, looking at the products that came online between 1986 and today, it’s pretty critical. And so to answer your question now, you said, well, has anybody asked a question about this clinical trial for this polio vaccine? So when my client, Icahn, started really looking at this issue. It said, well, you know, we we, you know, is is are the vaccines a contributor? Because given a lot of vaccines in the first year of life is that’s what’s causing these immune system issues. Well, the place that you go to assess whether a product is safe is its clinical trial. Why? It’s the one time you can determine causation really, between a product and a claimed injury. You need a prospective double blind, placebo controlled trial, typically or well-controlled trial. It’s okay to use non placebo if you have an existing standard of care that has already been established. A safe in a double vaccine trial. Right. Okay. And so that process began by looking at. The package inserts and the FDA documents. Well, let’s look at what the clinical trial data says for each of these products, not only because I can wanted to look at that investigation, but also when our clients call our firm and they say, hey, my kid went in totally healthy. You know, Baby Apgar score perfect goals and ten minutes after getting a shot or these shots has a grand mal seizure bubble, you know, as a cascade of issues. When we go to vaccine court. The program I told you about because you can’t see the manufacturer. You sue the secretary of Health Services. And if. Mr. Kennedy becomes, for example, the secretary of HHS, we’d actually be suing him. Ironically, you see the secretary of HHS, and in a program where almost every claim you have to prove causation, you have to prove it came from an M.D., Ph.D. I’m not I’m I’m a lawyer. So when I go to court about vaccines, I have to prove things with real evidence. I need good evidence. I don’t get to just say stuff. I don’t get to appeal to my credentials. Okay. How do I prove it? Start your clinical trial data. Because everything after licensure is almost all retrospective. Epidemiological studies and those, they say, can never show causation. You roll into court with those are like, what? That’s that’s just correlation. You can’t prove anything with that. And by the way, it’s not even like there’s a mountain of that stuff. There’s if you go to PubMed and you want to research the safety of any particular child, the vaccine, you’re not going to find a lot of studies in this most robustly studied products. But there’s there’s what they say and there’s a reality to to the state of the science. So bringing this all the way back and.

Tucker [00:25:31] The reality is that they’re just not studied very closely.

Aaron Siri [00:25:35] And and this polio vaccine is a great example. And as well as the other two petitions they took issue with in the news recently. So in this one petition. Here we are. Right. A 2 or 20 something years later, we’ve got this explosion of chronic health in our children and the manufacture of this product. This was a novel product at the time, the manufacturers product. 20 something years later, still needs immunity, liability. You still don’t know it’s safe enough to live that really it’s been how many years? All right. So merits really looking into who look at the clinical trial. Like I said, on behalf of Icahn, we followed the FDA for all the clinical trial reports. We sent them letters. We did everything we can to give them an opportunity to show us it’s more than three days with no control because that is not believable. Meaning if you had said to me, he said, Aaron, come up with the most nefarious thing you come up with about vaccines, like just go crazy. I wouldn’t even dream of saying that to you because nobody would believe it. It’s it sounds crazy, but it’s right there. It is the reality. And so we filed a petition that I think of anybody in America read if you read the headline of The New York Times, but instead read the actual petition, you’d be like, that’s very reasonable. So you license a completely novel. Yes. Polio vaccine based on essentially cancerous monkey kidney cells that end up as an ingredient. And you’re mutated for three days after injection with no control. So the petition said, Hey, FDA. Excuse me. Can you require a proper clinical trial of this product, please, before its license? And it was only asked the children that’s that the request was in this petition filed on behalf of I can. Okay. So let me address two things.

Tucker [00:27:27] Which are that was the ask just for a clinical trial.

Aaron Siri [00:27:30] Before it’s licensed for children. Yes. And so what we’re asking now, just just to understand, it’s not even like I can wanted to withdraw the licensure of this one product. It’s not the point. The clinical trials are done by the manufacturer. They’re not done by the FDA, okay? They’re done by the manufacturer. So how do we get the manufacturer to do another clinical trial that’s appropriate? Well, you have to when you file a request with the FDA on their formal docket, like when Pfizer files a request on this formal docket that we use, have their heads that we use it because it’s only pharma companies typically use it. So like, we’d like to license this product. We would like to change the licensure. We would like to change that company’s licensure because of this, right? So we use the same document on behalf of Icahn, and we filed on it and we said, Hey, we want you to take this action, but we have to ask them to change some action the FDA took or the only action they took was to license it. So the valve to ask them to get them to require a new trial is to say. Pause or pull the license for for this one product until there’s a proper trial. Okay. It was it was the legal mechanism to get the another trial. It wasn’t the purpose wasn’t to get rid of the vaccine. The purpose was to get them to do a proper trial. And in no universe to be clear, did we ever think, my client ever think and I ever think that the FDA would actually pull the licensure. We just hoped thought they’d say, hey, go do a proper clinical trial. They’re on to us. It’s now been that petition was filed in 2022. It’s been years they haven’t done it. And I like to make this point very clear, just super clear. I really got to set this record straight. So important. Even if this petition was granted. There is not a single child or adult in America that would not have had access to a polio vaccine. Not one. That is what makes The New York Times headlines absolutely false. They knew it was false. They intended for the country to be seen because they’re trying desperately to derail Mr. Kennedy’s nomination. And I just.

Tucker [00:29:42] I know you don’t like to speculate as to motive, but it does raise this. Confusing question. Why would The New York Times, A be so opposed to Bobby Kennedy? A It’s a liberal newspaper. He’s a lifelong liberal. Was Kennedy was. Yeah. Right.

Aaron Siri [00:30:01] And they’re right in their minds. Yeah, he is. He’s a classical.

Tucker [00:30:03] Liberal. I, I couldn’t agree more. And I would say it’s compliment believes in civil liberties. We all should. But why would The New York Times be willing to lie in order to keep him from getting confirmed? Why is it so important?

Aaron Siri [00:30:25] I think it’s probably a mix. Like many things in life of a number of factors. Sure. I think that it matters whether you’re looking at the level of the two reporters that wrote this piece. At the level of The New York Times as an organization, at the various people between the two reporters and New York Times, an organization that had some hand in that piece before it came out. I think it’s probably a blend of ranging from ideology. You know, I will tell you these to authors of this article. I mean, they are in the category of what I would call vaccine zealots. I mean, they, I think, are incapable of objectively thinking. And look, you.

Tucker [00:31:00] Remember the names.

Aaron Siri [00:31:04] That their names are Cheryl and Christina and I, I could pull it up if you’d like.

Tucker [00:31:11] I’m just. If people are interested, the first names are great. People can find.

Aaron Siri [00:31:15] Yeah, they’re right there on the article. You can. But from, you know, over the years and Cheryl, you know, it’s reached out and, you know, you never have a conversation with somebody and you’re like, hey, look, look at this fact right here. And they just instead of responding to it, they just immediately go to something else. Right. Because they can’t deal with that fact. So they just bring up something else. I feel like that’s a sign to me of a lack of being able to really objectively evaluate the evidence in front of you. And I feel like that, you know, there’s there’s an issue there. So there’s ideology. And then there’s also you have to look out always got to look at somebody’s financial interests, always. Right. Because it conforms their conduct, whether in one way or another, as objective as we all think we would like to believe we are. And we should all strive for it. Financial interests affect us. They do. Yes, they do. And so where does New York Times get some of its financing? Does is there any dollars that flow to their advertising coffers from those who want informed consent, medical freedom? Or is there more dollars a flow for pharmaceutical companies? And so, you know, that’s maybe a consideration as well.

Tucker [00:32:23] What’s the answer to that question?

Aaron Siri [00:32:25] It’s obviously more from the medical pharmaceutical industry flows than The York Times. I don’t believe that there are many medical freedom information organizations with a lot of money. There’s not. So I don’t think that’s there.

Tucker [00:32:39] But it’s from a big advertiser.

Aaron Siri [00:32:42] I don’t know the percentage, but I know I mean, I’ve seen ads, so I have not dug into it. I have not engaged in trying to answer the question you just asked me. So you, as you asked me to speculate, have speculated. You know, I mean, again, whatever their motives are, they did it. And the reason and just, you know, I’ll wrap up the point of why they knew it was false and why it was false is that the petition only asked for the reevaluation as to children, which are meant even if the petition was granted, it would have made available for all adults in America licensed, which would have meant it would have remained off label use for all children rights and nobody would have been deprived in America for even that one vaccine we asked about. But putting that aside, there are five other licensed vaccines for children. Polio on the CDC schedule is given a two for six months of age and four years of age. And there are five other shots you can get at those intervals because they’re given with other vaccines that those at those time periods. So so it would have taken them two seconds of thinking to know their guideline of the polio vaccine is going to be eliminated was absolutely a lie. Why do you I mean I mean, why do you think they did it?

Tucker [00:34:00] Because I think. Bobby Kennedy. Well, because some of them are vaccine zealots. I think that’s right. I’ve certainly seen a lot of that. But I also think there’s something about the way he assesses facts and history that’s terrifying to a certain sort of person who’s very vested in the current system, who’s a rigid, dogmatic thinker. A lot of them are. A lot of the dumber people are rigid, dogmatic, in case you haven’t noticed. It’s it’s a it’s a sign of mediocrity, in my opinion. But it’s very common in our professional class. And Bobby, like Trump, is the kind of person who assesses things on the basis of what he sees and doesn’t necessarily genuflect before, you know, the pieties that all of us have to we’re required to or, you know, we’re supposed to say he doesn’t necessarily go along with that. And that temperament is incredibly threatening. Once you start asking questions, you know, are these products safe? You might wind up asking other questions like why do we have Naito? Or is it like, how was John F Kennedy murdered? Like, what was that? I mean, there’s people who asked uncomfortable questions in one area are likely to ask uncomfortable questions in other areas. And if your entire system is built on wise. That’s, you know, a huge threat. Well, that’s my personal view.

Aaron Siri [00:35:32] I’ll build on that then, which is. When you look at the last 40 years. Who has been one of the big supporters in many ways of the of what’s occurred. All right. You don’t often a lot of times you’ll see The New York Times supportive of what the HHS administration has been doing over the last 40 years. And where’s that gotten us over the last 40 years? Let’s think about this for a second. So under the under the under the a current approach that’s been going on, which Bobbie stands in opposition to in many ways. Right. And I’m not talking about vaccines. I’m talking about the way business is done across health. Exactly right. I’m not talking about just vaccines right now. When you look over the last four years, we’ve gone we’ve already talked about child crunk health gone, exploding. All right. Which is, you know, suffering on a micro scale. You know, each one of these families that has a kid with chronic health issues devastating. And we have families with a vaccine injured kid. It’s it’s a devastating event. But then there’s also the macro issue, too, which is we’ve got $35 trillion in debt. We have almost 2 trillion a year of that we can’t cover of what we spend in this country. We’re bringing in four point something trillion in revenue and and just one agency, CMS, that does Medicare. Medicaid is almost $1.7 trillion of our $6 trillion budget. And when you look at the growth curve of that agency alone, it’s just skyrocketing. We are you know, if a few countries stop using our dollars are national reserve currency. We could be in a death spiral. I mean, this is how empires fail. And and what is driving a massive component. Of our national debt. It’s health care spending and it’s going to rise and it’s going to increase. And really, Congress, unfortunately, has in many ways rigged the rules for Medicaid and Medicaid. So it’s really hard to reduce the total spend. Other than getting people healthier. And that is what Bobby wants. That’s all he’s focused on. He has no interests that, you know, that extend. You know, my experience with him. Beyond that, he is genuinely committed to helping people and saving people. And I think you’re right. He stands against what what has brought us to this place. And in many ways, I guess, you know, you’re right in that. If he’s right. If if there are a whole host of things that our health agencies have been doing or ignoring or not properly studying, and I’m talking about everything right now, it would show that The New York Times and all of these papers have not been doing their job.

Tucker [00:38:14] So just just to kind of Tebow in The New York Times story element of this conversation, they made the claim that you or you were Bobby Kennedy or a pro polio. One of their claims they make.

Aaron Siri [00:38:29] Are they also said we were trying to get rid of happy vaccines. And then they pointed to a yet another petition that I could talk about because, again, a petition that we filed with regard to happy vaccines and again, only with regard to two of them, there are others. Okay. So there were not about all happy vaccines. Again, it was filed on behalf of our client. I can not on behalf of Mr. Kennedy. He knew nothing about it. He had nothing to do with it. Right. So the association with him is totally false. And it would have lot of left Americans without access to happy vaccine. So that was false. To what did the petition actually ask for? Well, let me tell you, because that’s what should have been the headline. The headline should have been the following in The New York Times. FDA Licenses Happy Vaccines for Infants and Toddlers based on clinical trial with five days or less of safety monitoring after injection and no control group. That should have been the headline. That is patently insufficient to determine safety. And I think anybody that reads the petition that was filed with the FDA would find it eminently reasonable because it doesn’t just say you did this, it starts with in 2017, we said to you, how could you do this? You didn’t really do this. Give us documents. And then they gave us an answer and they didn’t provide anything of substance. Then we did it again on behalf of Icahn and we fired them. Then we sued them and we won’t have I can we did this for years. And then we finally brought the petition again saying, come on, you got to require proper a clinical trial. Again, this is yet these were two vaccines that also came online during that period between 1986 and now. They were part of the explosion of chronic health condition. Let’s make sure they’re really safe. And the way to do that as a clinical trial. The New York Times also accused us of wanting to get rid of a bunch of other vaccines because there was a third petition that was filed, the FDA, again, after a lot of back and forth. And that petition, I think, most people, again, would find eminently reasonable. That petition was based on a peer reviewed study that came out by the world’s leading aluminum expert and four of his colleagues. And what did this paper find in this peer reviewed journal? It found that amongst ten childhood vaccines, there was far more aluminum adjuvant in the vial. Or far less in the vial than what was on the FDA label for those vaccines. So you got a label, the FDA approved label. It says it’s got point five, let’s say micrograms. But there the finding was that it had double maybe inside of it. That’s a serious concern. Aluminum adjuvants are neuro and cytotoxic. They’re what you use to induce autoimmunity in lab animals. Okay. They’re not they’re not like candy. You know, if I just injected you with just dead pieces of proteins, right, from a pertussis bacteria, your body would probably be macrophages in the drug sales of products. Gobble it up and throw it away as garbage. Because to have a real immune reaction, you have to have cellular death. You have to have cellular. And how do bacteria accelerated death for replicating and killing cells? Viruses are taking over cells, but if you have just dead pieces of protein in the vial, it’s not going to do much. So they include aluminum adjuvants. Aluminum is bound to silica acid in the ground. Humans not come into contact ever with aluminum throughout all human history, for the most part. And so not long ago, in the scale of human history, we started. Or mining it and separating for silica acid. Most metals that you come into contact with the environment have a human function like iron, right? Magnesium. Your body has some mechanism. It uses a for aluminum, has no biological function. Your body zero. That’s why when you have an aluminum can, you know how can like survive forever and bacteria and virus don’t grow because it’s toxic to life. Okay? People think of aluminum like as if it’s ubiquitous because it’s now ubiquitous in our you know but but the. So aluminum and having too much or too little is problematic and the aluminum that you ingest is usually an ionic form. You know, like in the periodic table of elements, it’s like tiny, tiny, tiny piece of aluminum. So if this cup was an iron of aluminum that you ingested, which, you know, wouldn’t cross the blood brain barrier, which your body could, you know, use its pathways to get rid of a piece of aluminum adjuvant would be like the sides of this whole city were sitting in Kate on the microscale. It’s massive. So it gets injected into your arm. With the vaccine in it’s in the vial to cause cellular death at the injection site. Okay. So that your your blood neutrophils come pouring out and you have that information that you see when you have an infection gets red. And that’s your immune system working and IgG. And those are those aluminum agents are bound to the antigens. So when you’re macrophages and jerks, all those immune system cells take them and go to your lymph nodes to create antibodies, adaptive immunity. Right after they’re done doing that. Where does the aluminum adjuvant go? Well, let me tell you, the CDC and others have done studies where they inject long term adjuvant into animals and then they sacrifice them. You know, they market them adjuvant with like a fluorescence so they can see where is it afterwards and they can, you know, shine it on the animal. It ends up in all their organs, their brain, their lungs, their heart everywhere. So that’s not good. You know, having a that kind of material deposited is not good. So you don’t want too much of it in a vial. Okay. I’m not saying what kind of harm. I’m just saying you don’t want to you don’t want too little because that presents efficacy issues and even safety issues. So the petition, all it asks for and I those might have been too much detail about aluminum but but the the petition all it asks for is says said hey. FDA. And if you read it, the ask was this. Please confirm, please provide documents that confirm that the amount of aluminum adjuvant in the vial of these ten child vaccines matches. What’s on the product label. And if you can’t and you don’t have that documentation and you can’t show, then pause distribution until you do, because that’s a serious safety issue and efficacy issue. You’re giving kids vaccines that may have safety concerns like a shot in the dark in many ways and also may not even be efficacious, may not even produce the immunity you’re looking for. That petition was filed years and years and years ago, and still they have not confirmed it one way or another. Again. Up to the point of these petitions was not to actually stop the distribution of these vaccines. I can didn’t want to do that. It just wanted them to do proper safety studies. That’s really it. The legal mechanism was to say pause it so that they then would require the science. Otherwise, there’s no legal mechanism to get the FDA to do the things it should have been doing. And I would like to think we could all agree that, you know, when you go to the store and you get a box of Captain Crunch cereal and you read the ingredients, what’s on the ingredients should match what’s in the box.

Tucker [00:45:42] Right? And in the case of the third petition, it wasn’t just that you showed the safety testing was inadequate. You there was evidence of an actual problem. The ingredients didn’t match the label.

Aaron Siri [00:45:51] Absolutely right. By the world’s leading aluminum scientists. That’s right. So but the headline wasn’t FDA shirks its duties to assure product safety FDA. No it was you know, by implication Mr. Kennedy wants to ban vaccines, which is complete and utter nonsense.

Tucker [00:46:12] So the purpose of this piece was obviously not to report the news or tell the truth or, you know, get the heart of anything. It was to stop Bobby Kennedy’s nomination at the confirmation stage. What has it been effective?

Aaron Siri [00:46:26] Well, that is why I’m you know, I’m on your show to to make sure everybody understands that The New York Times deceived this entire country about what’s in the petitions. It deceived the country about their connection to Mr. Kennedy. It’s nothing to do with him. And I do not think I do not think thank. Thankfully, because of our folks who are willing to actually cover the truth, and thank goodness there is media that’s willing to cover the truth about this. I don’t think it will hurt him. But if we were 15 years ago and there was no alternative media recall.

Tucker [00:47:03] That’s right.

Aaron Siri [00:47:03] And The New York Times ran the story and everybody else picked it up. Who would I talk to? To tell the truth? Who could I go on? Who would I speaking with? I’d be I’d be in my office just talking to the wall. So, you know, it’s a very thankful that there is there are those you know, and I’m thankful to the to the alternative media that hosted me as well as others, you know, who have hosted me. You know you know, Fox put me on to talk about this. Chris Cuomo had me on, to his credit, to talk about Foreign News Nation. And The Wall Street Journal just published an op-ed to their credit their rivals, The New York Times. I don’t know. So maybe that helped as my understanding. So, you know, and it was an op ed, it wasn’t a piece, but fine. So I hope is that no, I don’t think it’s going to hurt him because I like to hope and think the senators will look at the actual facts the end of the day on this and they’ll realize this this it just wasn’t true. What was in this article? There’s you know, there’s just no truth. There’s just no truth to the claim that he wants to go to vaccines. He just wants transparency. And he wants good science and we should all want that.

Tucker [00:48:10] I want to ask a specific question that’s bothered me for a long time. So 1986 Congress grants blanket immunity to the vaccine manufacturers that cannot be sued. You know, those are not the only products people sue over. Of course, the trial bar, which was, you know, famously the most powerful along with teachers unions, the most powerful single constituency in the Democratic Party, because it gave the most money. You know, they’ve lobbied to make it easy to sue over anything. You know, big chains go out of business because, you know, they get sued. Why haven’t they complained about this?

Aaron Siri [00:48:46] It’s a great question. I mean, that I, I just think that there’s. It’s. There aren’t many plaintiffs firms that have made a line of business in it. So it’s not like they had this line of cases and business suing on vaccine injuries. And now you’ve taken it away. I mean, there were a few doing it, obviously back in the early 80s. But I think you’re talking about like in the decades since. Why hasn’t the trial bar done this? You know, maybe it’s a blend of ideology. And it’s also none of the big plaintiffs side firms have a vaccine injury practice. And the ones that do have gotten used to maybe the existing system.

Tucker [00:49:31] But it’s just weird. I mean, sue over talcum powder. Asbestos is tobacco slip and falls. I mean, you name it, playground equipment manufacturers, the rest of the medical establishment get sued constantly, but nobody thinks, well, wait, everyone knows there are a lot of vaccine injuries. That’s not a controversial point. It’s known. And no one, no lawyer thought, well, wait a second, you know, we need to lobby to change this law because we could save people and make a ton of money. I just think it’s very strange.

Aaron Siri [00:50:06] Well, I you asked me a lot of questions that are complex and require speculation. But, you know, maybe part of it is that you said the trial bar has a lot of lobbyists. Right. And influence. But yeah, they do. But but pharma and health, the health care industry has my understanding, over 2000 lobbyists. I understand they have the most lobbyists of any industry out there, double as my understanding in terms of dollars, if I’m don’t quote me on this one because. But you should look it up. I think the last I heard and this should be verified, double the next in line, which I thought was like oil and gas industry. So I don’t know where trial lawyers stand in that in that thing, but I suspect those who would benefit from keeping that immunity probably have far more influence, and that’s probably why it stays in place.

Tucker [00:50:56] It’s just very strange because, you know, all of us well, thanks to propaganda from organized labor lobbies, have been told from birth that, you know, the civil law keeps us safe. You know, if you make a crappy product, if again, if you’re, as you said, if your gas tank blows up, some lawyers going to sue the car manufacturer and you’ll get a safer car.

Aaron Siri [00:51:18] That is that is how product safety works. When you look at countries that don’t have, you know, basically market based systems, how do their products get safer? They didn’t go look back at other countries in that way. The way that products get safer is the companies in economic interest, which is a good thing, meaning their economic interests aligns with safety. I make a car, I make a drug. I want to make sure that it’s as safe as I can make it so that I can still make money when I sell it and not space exposure downstream that will make me with end up with a loss. Well, I’m.

Tucker [00:51:51] Glad you said drug to because it this immunity applies only to vaccines for lots of drugs. That’s right. Some of them have, you know, all of them have side effects. Some of the side effects are scary as hell, but they’re still in the market.

Aaron Siri [00:52:05] And they’re given to only very small groups of people. So you have drugs given to small groups of people like you said, and cost and they can survive. But a product that you give to millions, often by coercion, by school mandates every single year promoted by the federal government, you can’t make a profit on. You don’t have to pay marketing budget because the government does it for you. You don’t have to worry about selling it, promoting it because they’re mandating it to go to school. Millions have to take it. You’re raking in billions a year and you still can’t turn a profit without the immunity. I mean, it is it’s a very troubling reality. It’s part of the reason I drove that petition. I will give you I will put this into I’m unprofitable.

Tucker [00:52:45] Just to prove something. You said, how profitable are vaccines?

Aaron Siri [00:52:47] But the vaccine industry profits to the tune of billions of dollars a year.

Tucker [00:52:53] So it is a legitimate profit center for the Farmaco.

Aaron Siri [00:52:56] Absolutely. My goodness. And since the early 80s, it is becoming an increasingly large percentage of their portfolio, in particular for Sanofi, Merck, GlaxoSmithKline and Pfizer. Those four in particular are making most of the childhood vaccines and vaccines in America. And their portfolio, their percentage of portfolio has been increasing because imagine I came to you and I said, Hey, Tucker, I got a business idea for you. Okay, you ready? You want to hear it? Listen, what we’re going to do, we’re going to put out this product, okay? Like, what is it? Don’t worry about it. But we inject in people. Well, why would people take it? Well, the government going to mandate it. Okay, great. Well, is it safe? Don’t worry about it, because they’re going to give us immunity. Well, I mean, what are people like start attacking us, the media. Don’t worry. Our government is also going to promote it for us, as well as all 50 health agencies, if you like. Well, let me get this straight. Guaranteed market immunity to liability. It’s a no brainer. So obviously, yes, vaccines. But why have increased?

Tucker [00:53:53] Why did the 86 law passed as a public service in the name of public health? Why did it allow vaccine manufacturers to profit? So right. You will you get an immunity shield, but you’re not allowed to get rich off it. That seems.

Aaron Siri [00:54:09] Fair. Well, what they did was, is that they left the financial incentive to make more vaccines, but they didn’t leave the financial incentive that makes them make more vaccines that are safe. Exactly. So what they did is they took away the one true way you were. Sure. Product safety. And to be clear, there is no other product on the market that’s like this. And let me draw this into sharp contrast for you. Okay. Pfizer, according to money in its top five selling drugs. Okay. When you look at that list, four of them are drugs ones, vaccine, not including Covid vaccine, Enbrel, our quest and so forth. If you go to the FDA website, everybody should do this. And I actually have a chart on this on my Twitter feed. Okay. And you can see what was the clinical trial relied upon to license those four drugs. Right. The top five selling Pfizer products. Most of those clinical trials relied upon. The licensed products were multi year placebo controlled trials. Why would Pfizer do that? Why would Pfizer do that with those products? But when you look at vaccine products and again, you know, this is going to sound crazy, but I’m telling you, it’s right there on the FDA website. Most childhood vaccines are licensed based on days or weeks of safety review after injection. Virtually never. A placebo control group ever, or sometimes no control or control that makes no sense and often underpowered, meaning you don’t have enough kids in it to really assess if there’s even an issue. So why would Pfizer have multi year placebo controlled trial for drugs? But all these vaccines are put out with just ridiculous, like this polio vaccine we talked about. It’s because Pfizer wants to know whether or not those drugs are going to cause harm after they’re licensed, because if it does, they’re on the hook. They don’t want to end up upside down financially. They don’t want to lose money on those drugs. So before it goes on the market, they make sure they want those trials. Forget you asked me before about the FDA. Forget the FDA. That’s what economic interest does. It kind of forms the conduct of the company to assure safety. And that’s a great thing. That’s part of why our market system works well with regards to product safety. People talk about the lawsuits. Yeah, the lawsuits are there, but it’s not the lawsuits that make them safe. It’s the fact that they want to make money. And most of safety happens before the lawsuit. It happens before the product even goes to market. The company cares. They test that. They evaluate. They don’t want to face the liability and be upside down. But when it comes to vaccines, they don’t have that interest. When you look at most lawsuits that big companies face, the board members face the officers face, oftentimes because they cause a financial loss. Right. You ever hear of a lawsuit, a securities class action, because a company was immoral or was unethical? No, it’s because they lost money. It’s because they didn’t do things to maximize money in many ways. And so that’s what conformance that’s what drives corporate conduct, drives the companies to make decisions about what they’re going to do. And you have a company that’s making a product when they make the drug. Their fiduciary duty to their shareholders is to make sure they test that properly. But their fiduciary duty to their shareholders and comes to the vaccines is to test them as little as possible. Because if they do test them and they find a problem, then they can make money from it. They might not get to market. They would actually be kind of in some ways forget ethics and morality. They would in many ways violate their their fiduciary duty to their shareholders to to test the vaccine trial too much. If they knew too much, then it won’t get licensed. It’s a perversion of it. And then after not only they gut, not only did they gut the economic interests, there is one of the way you assure a product safety. It’s a far weaker way. It’s not very good, but it’s there. And that’s regulators and they have a role to play. They have a role to play. But the regulators here are completely conflicted because HHS, the Department of Health Human Services, is the Department of the Federal government, in which you have the CDC, the FDA, the NIH, all of the health agencies. Okay. And it’s it is responsible for promoting vaccines. So it’s responsible for the safety of vaccines and promoting vaccines. Those are in conflict. For example, you think, for example, the Department of the Department of Transportation is responsible promoting transportation. So they go to the airlines and they say, hey, make more planes, get more planes in the sky, have more airports, you know, and so forth. But who’s responsible for safety if there’s a crash? The NTSB, a completely different agency. You separate them. It’s hard for me to shake your hand with industry and the government and say, hey, make more planes and at the same time slap you and say, hey, you’re out. It’s hard to do the same roles you separate. Or the Department of Energy is responsible for promoting nuclear power in America. But there’s an atomic energy. The nuclear regulatory age. Excuse me. Yeah. Thank you. Is responsible for the safety of nuclear power plants. They completely separate function with vaccines. They’re not separated. And additionally, not only do they not separate those absolutely diametrically opposed duties, you cannot have the same department responsible. Both. One will win out more than that. Remember what I told you earlier? The 1986 act that I reference did create a very narrow path for some compensation for vaccine injury. But you sue the Department of Health and Human Services, the secretary, you are suing the very same federal health department that is responsible for safety. So if and the represent by the law firm call the Department of Justice, you matter to them. So you’re fighting against the Department of Justice in this program where there’s no discovery. Let’s put that aside. The important point is this. It is the only product that I know of where the government. Defends the product and the industry and the companies. Against the consumer and the citizens. And that creates an incredible conflict. So if they do any study, Tucker, think about it. If they do a study that shows this vaccine causes asthma or causes an increase in some serious issue, what are the the few lawyers that engage vaccine genes program to do as an admission against interest? They’re going to use those studies the science to get liability against to the federal government for those acts and injuries. It’s an incredible conflict.

Tucker [01:00:25] So if I bring suit against the secretary of HHS on behalf of someone who’s actually injured and I win. Where does the money come from?

Aaron Siri [01:00:37] So there is a tax. $0.75 is paid for every vaccine dose, and that goes into a fund. That fund has about $3 billion right now. It’s paid out, you know, I think over 4 billion to date with a cap of 250,000 and pain and suffering and a cap of 280,000 for death claims. And so it comes out of that. It’s called the vaccine injury issue.

Tucker [01:01:02] So the manufacturers are not.

Aaron Siri [01:01:04] They still are not on the hook for it now.

Tucker [01:01:05] So so the system’s even more grotesque than you describe. There’s a product made by a publicly traded company, a private company. You know, non-government. The government requires its citizens to buy the product. The manufacturer cannot be sued if the product is faulty. And if someone’s injured, they have to fight the government to get paid. And when they do get paid, the manufacturer doesn’t have to pay.

Aaron Siri [01:01:36] Right. Well, and I’ll add to it in that this when you sue the government, it’s not like you get an Article three judge, you know, Article one, two and three of the Constitution. Article three created the judiciary. There are judges that are, you know, that are nominated and confirmed by the Senate. You don’t get an Article three judge. You get something called the special master in this program, which is, I will submit, is in many ways policy driven. So there are things that compensate. There are things they want. They don’t want to compensate their babies as basically almost on a policy basis. They there are things. Well, that would people won’t vaccinate.

Tucker [01:02:13] Come on.

Aaron Siri [01:02:15] I mean, ideology around these products is very strong. I’m not I don’t joke about I mean, people are very ideological around this product. They believe with our vaccines, everyone will die. I mean, that’s the typical retort. You want a proper clinical trial? Everyone will. Dying of polio. You you filed the petition on a novel polio vaccine from 1990. And that would have left nobody without a polio vaccine. You even have. Granted, they’d just ask for a proper clinical trial. You want everyone to get polio and die? I mean, this is. You just saw it happen. But your own eyes for vaccines.

Tucker [01:02:49] I’m not sure I am, but you could be. Many people are. I always have been and still demand good vaccines. I’m for cars. I think it’s fair to expect they’re not going to blow up. I don’t know. It doesn’t even make sense.

Aaron Siri [01:03:00] I don’t understand what that means, by the way, to be pro for or against vaccines or pro or anti vaccines. I mean, I’m not for or against cars. I’m not pro or anti cars. Cars have a purpose. They have a function. Sometimes I want to use them. Some say don’t. If you want to like parking in my bedroom, I don’t want it. I mean, they just it’s just a product. And this is the problem. This is what I’m talking about, is that they’re just a product. They’re a product. They were not given to Moses at Sinai. They’re a product made by companies. And the problem is, is that people just can’t talk about them objectively, like, well, it’s it’s a problem. And it feeds into you said, I think this program in the federal government they they also are part and parcel of the overall objective. Let me put it this way. Agencies set policy. The CDC is not a science organization. It’s a political organization. What do political organizations do? They set policies and then they subscribe and they follow them. Exactly. Okay. So the CDC, for example, I’ll give you a great example. There’s something called the MMW R It’s it’s what they calls their scientific publications. It’s what I call their newsletter. And they publish studies in it. All right. And those studies are often used to then set CDC policy. But here’s the thing. They don’t go through a peer review process. They go through something called this is on the CDC website, a clearance process, then CDC. And one of those steps. Is that the study must align with the CDC policy. Come on. I’m not joking. I’m not joking. I was that.

Tucker [01:04:38] Science.

Aaron Siri [01:04:38] It’s not scientists. The perversion of science. I’ve written about this. I’ve substack about it. I’ve tweeted about it, you know, but I’m. I don’t have your platform. But it’s the perversion of science. I mean. But that is the reality of the MMW. R And I’ll give you an example of how this plays out, not in the lives of everyday Americans. Do you remember the beginning of the Covid 19 pandemic when the vaccines first came out, the Covid 19 vaccines, and the CDC came out with all this guidance about how natural immunity is useless, it’s worthless. You got to get the vaccine no matter what. And so they their guidance to the public and the states around this country, luckily not all of them follow it. And they said, okay, if you’ve been vaccinated, you’re allowed to have your civil and individual rights. You’ve had Covid. You’re not allowed to have your civil individual rights. How do they get to that conclusion? There were at that point, numerous peer reviewed studies around the world with millions of people in them that showed natural immunity was more protective than vaccine immunity. But what did the CDC do? They went and they did this 300 person basically case controlled, retrospective nonsense of a study. We could do a whole show on that one, say we could pull it up. You and I could sit here and we could read it and you could spend your all day reading it. And I promise you would never understand the study design because it is the most convoluted nonsense to achieve the result they wanted, but it achieved the result they wanted. If that study which showed that that’s what they wanted it to show regarding natural immunity versus vaccine immunity, they relied on that one study in the MMW r I shouldn’t even call it a study in their newsletter to deprive people with natural immunity of their civil individual rights, ignoring all the other science. So yes, it is the perversion of science, but it has real life consequences. And I just gave you a real life example of it. On behalf of Icahn, by the way, and others, I actually wrote the CDC, my firm wrote the CDC a letter. We put all these studies and I can I could I could provide these you could make these available. There’s such great letters. I wish everybody America, read them. We laid out all the science, all of them showing natural immunity is at least as efficacious as vaccine immunity. Can you please give these people their rights? Civil, individual rights, freedom. They wrote back with that one study, that one study that I just told you about. We wrote back another letter saying this study is total garbage. We explain why it’s garbage. You know, as I told you, I you know, one thing that I do is I depose Vaccinologist. And it’s part of what I do in infectious disease doctors and immunologist. So I got to learn. Epidemiologist, you know, statistics, vaccinology, immunology, you know, that’s part of what deposing experts requires you to do. Okay? And again I’m many degrees but I’ve learned stuff and I can tell you that that study design it categorically is nonsense. It is designed to reach the conclusion that they want it. And because it’s a clearance process, I describe if something had shown a different result, it would just wouldn’t have made it through. So, yes, it is the perversion of science going all the way back to your actual question. Now, CDC is a policy entity. HHS is a policy entity. And to your point, why wouldn’t the vaccine if you compensation program compensate? Now, finally, to answer your question, I was a long road to get there because the policy organization and yeah, of course what the policy of that organization is vaccines are safe and effective. That’s a mantra. I don’t know what that means entirely, by the way, but they say it all day long. And any anything that shows are unsafe will get people to not vaccinate. And that goes against our policy. So absolutely. They are.

Tucker [01:08:26] Too crazy. How did how did you get involved in this area? You graduate law school. You went to Berkeley.

Aaron Siri [01:08:33] I went to Berkeley for law school, Yes.

Tucker [01:08:34] And what did you plan on doing when you graduated?

Aaron Siri [01:08:38] You went up here? Well, I after law, I clerked for the chief judge of the Supreme Court of Israel for a year after law school. And after that, I worked for Latham and Watkins, which is one of the biggest firms in the law firm six years doing the company litigation. Right. Multi billion dollar disputes. And then I left there. And started my own practice. I was I wasn’t home enough. I wanted to see my kids more and my wife more, so my own practice. And I continued to do commercial litigation, actually. That’s what I kept doing. And but instead of doing multibillion dollar cases, we would do, you know, for a few million dollars or a few hundred million dollars, a few hundred million dollar cases. You know, there are some cases, for example, that a, for example, Latham would have or a big firm would have, and they’re doing a giant bankruptcy and they can’t do a litigation, right? They can’t do the litigation because it conflicts the venture, but they don’t want a different big firm to do that litigation, right? Because they might still the client. So I, I would get some of those cases that would kick off to our firm because they trusted us to do good work. So we would do some of those, you know, cases from a half of publicly traded and large corporations. So I did that for a few years. And then in terms of legally how I got involved, there was a law in California passed the bill number was called SB 277 in 2014. And what it did was eliminate non-medical exemptions for children to attend school. Okay. So all these kids, tens of thousands of children were thrown out of school in California because their parents made the medical decision. And like I said before, these are often the folks who I find are most informed about these products, sometimes more informed than many of the pediatricians I depose about these products. And I was in New York at the time.

Tucker [01:10:39] And they who pushed that that proposition.

Aaron Siri [01:10:43] Senator Richard Pan, who’s no longer there, and a senator excuse me, and a senator, Richard Pan and Ben Allen, were the two members of the California legislature who drove that bill through. I mean, if you look back and see pharma back at.

Tucker [01:11:03] Hard to know.

Aaron Siri [01:11:04] I mean, I, you know, so it but it happened and. And so they they started some schools in New York started kicking kids out of school just kind of even all fornia and in New York actually even though they didn’t need to. I was in New York at the time, so I brought some suits to help those kids get back to school so they can get back in. I got injunctions and got them back into those typically private schools that were start You decided where they don’t want to have any of the kids who had religious exemptions. New York State allowed religious exemptions at the time and then and then. And here’s the fateful moment. The, the city of New York required a flu shot for preschoolers. And so my wife was also an attorney and partner at our firm, you know, said, hey, you know, that’s. Can we challenge that? And I looked at it and I said, you know, after looking at it, saying, yeah, we could because it was not passed by the legislature was passed. The Department of Health didn’t have the authority to do it. So we can just challenged on separation of powers grounds. Yeah. And she’s like, okay, great. Do it. And I said, whoa, wait a second. I said, You mean we have clients or public traded companies? I said, If I prevail, if we prevail and we strike this down, I mean, you understand this will make headlines. I do not think our clients would would like that. And she’s you know, I won’t use the word she used because I don’t know if it’s appropriate for the show, but it’s basically said. Bring the suit. And that was the end of discussion. And I did it for her. Absolutely. My wife’s incredible. She is the the North Star to you know, what is right and good.

Tucker [01:12:45] You have to have that if you’re going to do a job like yours.

Aaron Siri [01:12:47] Yeah, she’s she’s you know, she’s not she does not compromise on what’s right for anything. And so I did, I, I, I got it. I did win in the trial court level. I got the injunction and made national news. And as expected there, you know. And so, you know.

Tucker [01:13:08] It’s expected well.

Aaron Siri [01:13:09] As expected the you know our commercial practice contracted. Really. Absolutely.

Tucker [01:13:16] People didn’t want your services as a lawyer because you had challenged the flu vaccine mandate.

Aaron Siri [01:13:20] I don’t it just doesn’t accord, I think, with what a big Fortune 500 companies would. I don’t think it fits well into their portfolio of lawyers that they would use for what they do.

Tucker [01:13:34] You’re very diplomatic because that’s grotesque.

Aaron Siri [01:13:38] Yeah. I’m not accusing all of them. I’m just I mean.

Tucker [01:13:41] There’s a big firms defend pro bono. You know, death row inmates who have, you know, murdered people, rape children. I mean, that and that’s fine. You know what I mean? But you can’t defend the rights of parents to educate their children. Like, it’s crazy…

Aaron Siri [01:13:56] There is a very strong ideology around these products. You know, again, I stress their products. And so we started doing more of that work. And there’s there’s a lot more to that story. But I don’t know if it’s got an edge, you know.

Tucker [01:14:09] How did your views so you didn’t expect this your life to take this turn. It sounds like.

Aaron Siri [01:14:15] I will tell you that. No. I mean, if you asked me ten years ago, I’d be doing this, that The New York Times ran a headline that I want to, you know, basically take away the polio vaccine and give everybody polio again. And, you know, and senators would say, fire that lawyer, Mr. Kennedy. No, I would not expect to be in this spot, and nor did I expect to ever do vaccine work.

Tucker [01:14:38] But did you have views on the subject?

Aaron Siri [01:14:41] I when I was in law school now, yeah. I now know the first thing about a vaccine. And I will tell you, the very first time I ever looked at this topic and, you know, a long time ago, you know, I was sent some material that was actually Slate and Watkins at the time. And like I said, I and a lot of it was medical. And I don’t know anything about immunology or vaccinology or in fact, I didn’t know any of this medical stuff. No idea what I was reading. But then I read about the National Childhood Injury Act of 1986, and I was like, I remember, I just like was like, what? Because I don’t understand medicine. I don’t understand that stuff. But, I understood corporate conduct and I understood fiduciary duties. I understood it. Conflicts of interest I understood were true corporations. I represented them in really important, critical. I understood those things very well. And I was I remember I remember it was like late at night in my office when I read this. I remember being up there in the Lipstick building and in Manhattan, and I was dumbfounded when I saw that law. I couldn’t believe it. I mean, I just didn’t understand it because everything like this is the product they tell you is perfectly safe and is given to babies and you can’t sue the manufacturers for injury. I found that to be immediately troubling.

Tucker [01:16:07] And so you didn’t know that?

Aaron Siri [01:16:09] No, I did not know that until I read. And I didn’t know that until I read.

Tucker [01:16:12] I think a lot of people don’t know that.

Aaron Siri [01:16:14] I can tell you they don’t know that because obviously because the work I do, I mean, people all the time in this area and they don’t know that. And, you know, sadly, they they they don’t know until they do know it. And often they know it after they have some kind of personal experience. And most of the folks around the country who do know it are the folks who have been negatively impacted by these products. One way or another. They know it. They know about the law. They know about the science. They know about these things. Because when your kids are impacted or you’re impacted by a product, you research it. Yeah, you know about it. And until you don’t, you don’t. And I’ll say, one of the thing about that, just because I know a lot of people always say to me like, what if there were vaccines, caused a lot of injury or they cause injury, I would know it. And I always say to them, Do you know which drugs cause which injuries? Of course you don’t. Even though they come off the market all the time, vaccines won’t cause yes, you may factures, but drugs do. And do you know which drugs are coming off the market? Do you know what injuries are causing? No. Why would you know it’s right? Why would you know? Why would you know that vaccines cause injury? Why do people. It’s always funny to me. People assume that I would know. You wouldn’t know. You know who would know? I tell you would know. It’s the firms that accumulate cases for people who are injured. You know, who knows that a particular drug is going to is is causing harm. First it is the plaintiff’s lawyers. And there are a lot of things you can say about plaintiffs lawyers. But the one thing that is that they’re they know because they’re getting phone calls, hey, I took this drug. Exactly. And they get another call and they get another and they’re like. A pattern emerges. They’re the ones who typically know it. And they start accumulating the cases, just like, you know, we’ve got I mean, for for vaccines, we have you know, that’s what we get call for. We have endless cases in the for Covid vaccines. I mean it is we basically had to our entire phone system for is basically if you’re in to buy Covaxin, press one and you get instructions to go to our website in just fill form because there’s pretty much nothing we can do for you, because not only do they have immunity, essentially under the 1986 act, they they have four co vaccines, a completely other level of immunity called prep act immunity. You can’t sue those manufacturers for you can’t even go to the VCP vaccine user compensation program for Covid vaccine injuries. Seriously? Yes. You can’t even go to that program. Even as as limiting as that program is, you have to go to something called the CCP, the Counter Injuries Compensation Program, which we have two federal lawsuits right now. We’re suing to strike those programs down as unconstitutional because it’s the most ridiculous system you’ve ever court program ever heard of. Who are you filing a claim with? You don’t really know who’s reviewing it. You don’t know who’s their expert. You don’t know what they’re basing it on. You don’t know it’s a complete black hole. You there is no due process. There’s no hearing. You can’t confront the people they’re going to use to evaluate it. You know who the Trier of fact is. You know who the Trier of laws are. You don’t know anything. All you do is you submit a piece of paper and then you get, you know, at some day when you don’t know, you only have one year to file some response. And the whole program only has about $7 million and most of it goes to pay the staff so we can compensate anybody. It’s a ridiculous program.

Tucker [01:19:34] Product of the Prep act.

Aaron Siri [01:19:35] It’s a product of the Prep act. And so I sued to render the program unconstitutional on procedural due process. I said, if this program like the court, the government doesn’t have to afford your remedy. But if I say to you, Hey, they can have zoning laws, I said, but you can have a variance in your house. Yeah, well, I give you process for that. They can’t make it unfair. It can be. I give you a variance and I don’t give that guy right. Exactly how to be fair. So if there’s going to be a process, it has to conform with due process. This thing is the most procedurally defunct program ever. I got a call from a reporter. I forgot which paper national paper after I filed the lawsuit and they said, what do you you know, we filed the suit. I said, here, let me let me explain it to you in layman’s terms. If you’re injured by a Covid vaccine, fill out a piece of paper, check the matter with you, write it. Use crayons, go to your backyard, dig a hole, bury the paper in the hole covered up water. Now I want you to water it, Make sure it gets a lot of sun and just wait for it to grow compensation. I said that and literally told that reporter. I don’t think she kept talking to me, but that but that is that is what I would describe the program as.

Tucker [01:20:41] They don’t. What is this done to your personal life? I mean, did you like people, you know, your family, your friends, your law school classmates, whatever? What do people think of what you’re doing?

Aaron Siri [01:20:53] Well, it matters how much you know about this. And it matters what you understand what I’m actually doing. Are you looking at what The New York Times is saying I’m doing? Or you looking at what I’m actually doing? Of course. And of course, again, to be clear, I’m an attorney. I just ask questions in many ways. Kind of like you ask questions. I bring suits. I’m looking for answers. I’m looking for truth. I don’t I don’t really have any emotional attachments. These products, like some people do. And I don’t have a need for a priori assumptions. You know, the data, the science, the studies, they are what they are. You know, so it really just depends who I think some people.

Tucker [01:21:31] The attitude you just described, which I think is rational and science based and admirable, by the way, is not shared by a lot of people. So you said that there was a cost to your business. Yes. When you started representing these clients, was there a cost to your friendships? I guess that’s what I’m asking.

Aaron Siri [01:21:50] I would say that was our customer friendships. Well, not friends that you’d want to keep, I guess. Yeah, absolutely. So, yes, I would say it absolutely has come with, I guess you would say a cost and communally and certainly back in New York. And but it also comes with amazing rewards because, you know, you’re there’s a community of people who really need help and they really need support. I’ll tell you one more story that I think drives us home. So New York City, there were cases of measles in New York City. Remember that back in 2000? A number of years ago. Okay. In which nobody died.

Tucker [01:22:36] Yeah. I think Bobby got blamed for that.

Aaron Siri [01:22:38] In which everyone died. No, nobody died and nobody got a I’m not aware of any actual person who got really any real issues. And so and there were thousands and thousands and thousands of cases. You know who I know? Because as the New York State City Department of Health said, please stop having measles parties. Why? Because the only way you could get your kid back into school was if you got the vaccine or you had measles. So there were these giant measles parties occurring in Brooklyn so that people could get their kids back into school, so they could then get bloodwork to show titers, to show they had immunity. In any event, the city of New York decided the way they were going to deal with that. Was to make it literally illegal to exist in certain zip codes in Brooklyn. If you didn’t get an MMR vaccine, it was illegal. If you did not get the shot, you were violating the law. Now, let me explain to you why some people oppose the MMR vaccine and every single dose of an MMR shot. There are literally, literally millions of pieces from the cultured slime, an aborted fetus, and every single injection. Now, again, that might sound crazy. But I can literally pull up right now the Kdka’s own ingredient list for the MMR vaccine. Anybody can do this at home. Just google MMR excuse me, vaccine Excipients list CDC and you could pull it up and you could see it as MRC 538. Those are cultured cell lines from born a fetus because you have to grow viruses in a cell. Viruses won’t just grow. They have to grow in cells. That’s how they replicate. They take over the machinery of a cell. So you have to grow it on a cellular substrate. So how do they grow the rubella virus? They grow it on these cultured cell lines from aborted fetus.

Tucker [01:24:34] What do they get? Aborted fetuses.

Aaron Siri [01:24:37] And baby babies that are imported.

Tucker [01:24:39] From abortion clinics?

Aaron Siri [01:24:40] Well, well, well. It’s it has to be. You don’t you can’t use it. So the cells need to be alive. Okay. So you understand, like the board of fetal tissue has to remain alive to be used. And so, you know, I deposed, for example, the and the world’s leading vaccinologist Dr. Stanley Plotkin and that the positions actually available on Icahn the high wired.com the whole deposition nine hours is available there.

Tucker [01:25:13] Parts of it are available on X. And yes, I watched part of it in preparation for this interview and was, you know, so shocked and revolted by it. I was already on your side, obviously, as a parent of a child who was vaccine injured. So I’m in truth, everything you’re saying. But that deposition with Dr. Stanley Park and who’s still alive, 93 attract was one of the most shocking things I’ve ever seen in my life.

Aaron Siri [01:25:40] You watched the whole thing?

Tucker [01:25:41] No, I saw sections of it.

Aaron Siri [01:25:43] Okay. Yeah. And so then you know about the clip I’m about to talk about, which is relating to just one study that was done that involved over 70 normally normal, healthy fetuses. Right. That would have there was nothing wrong in abnormalities that were aborted for the purposes of this one study.

Tucker [01:26:01] Past the first trimester. But they’re all older than three months, you said.

Aaron Siri [01:26:04] That’s right. That’s right. And some of them. Absolutely. And what they do is they take they take those in that one study, those 70 something babies, and they are then they chop them up into little or each body, parts of the tongue, the lung, the liver, the every body part. And they chop them up into little, little cubes and then they try to culture viruses on them because they want to see which part of the body can be is the best suited for growing the virus used in the vaccine. And so this is, you know, in any event and there’s a lot, you know, anybody wants can research about this there. So this is.

Tucker [01:26:39] Answering the question, why is this a religion for some people? There is a I mean, there’s some heavy stuff going on here. I mean.

Aaron Siri [01:26:45] For folks who don’t want to receive the vaccine.

Tucker [01:26:46] No, no, no. For people who support them.

Aaron Siri [01:26:49] Well, you.

Tucker [01:26:49] Have to sacrifice quality here. Sorry that that’s was my takeaway from that interview. And I think you actually asked him, are you an atheist? Yes, I am.

Aaron Siri [01:26:55] Yes. People the case was about a religious belief them. Our client had a part, you know, contrary to the practice of vaccination. They didn’t want to vaccinate her kid and he decided to volunteer for reasons I’ll never understand, to be an expert. And he came to the deposition. He didn’t come to trial. He never he did not show up for trial. We even sent him a subpoena duces tecum after the deposition. If you ever see the deposition, he says, well, there’s there is this or there’s that. And so I sent him a document request saying, hey, you said there’s this knack, give it to us. And then he brought a collateral lawsuit to quash that subpoena, believe it or not, because he did not want to give because he doesn’t They don’t have it. It doesn’t. It’s just like this polio petition. You know, it’s not I don’t ask for things, you know. You know, we do try to do my homework beforehand. In any event, there’s a show.

Tucker [01:27:48] This vaccines are grown with the cells of aborted baby tongues.

Aaron Siri [01:27:55] Well, no, no, no, no. Well, let me be clear about that. In that study, they were trying to figure out which body part was best to use. So the one that they ended up with was actually from the lung of the aborted baby supported fetus. So it’s lung fibroblasts are the where the cells they and the substrate that ended up working. So they tried with tongue. It didn’t work as well. And there is a number of qualities are looking for. How well does the virus replicate? Are there other potential, you know, viruses and so forth and and so forth, so forth. What what’s the best medium to do it? And so there you.

Tucker [01:28:37] Said that the cells have to be alive. So where do the bodies come from? Do we know?

Aaron Siri [01:28:43] I mean, when they when the baby is aborted for the purposes and they’re typically aborted for the scientific purpose, I mean, they have to know beforehand for the most part, because if the baby if they abort the baby and they don’t immediately act to make sure that the tissues don’t die, then you you can’t use them in this experiments. So and this is and this is this is.

Tucker [01:29:11] About as uncomfortable as I’ve ever been in an interview right now. This is like really beyond beyond that. This happens.

Aaron Siri [01:29:19] Well, I mean, there’s a whole industry around. It’s not, you know, not something I litigate about. But as you know, there is a whole industry around with regards to abortions. You know, you’ve heard of humanized mice, for example. No, Right. So so, for example, in the Pfizer and Moderna, Covid 19 vaccine trials, for example, Covid 19 vaccine development process. Those products have no board fetal tissue in them like kill vaccines typically don’t you don’t need to grow them in the same way. Well, it’s not always true, any event, but. In the process of development. A lot of times they use humanized mice in order to experiment with the vaccine. And so and this is not just vaccines, by the way. This is across science. So they basically take and sometimes from aborted babies, sometimes from other in other ways. It doesn’t have to necessarily be an aborted baby to do, too. And they inject the mice with these human cells to quote unquote, humanize them, to then use them for experiments. You should have some reason to talk about this. I’m not your person for this. I just. I just. I only know about this enough to pose around religious beliefs around these products because there’s a whole industry on this.

Tucker [01:30:40] But I want to know more. I mean, you do as you hear this, you think, you know, this can’t continue. This is too. This is tampering with the secret sauce of nature. So, you know, this this will not end well at all.

Aaron Siri [01:30:55] So, yeah. Well, I yes, I mean, it’s what’s unfortunate about it is that. And the reason I know about any of these things is because in these depositions, with regard in these depositions regards to religious beliefs. The issue of a board of the board of your tissues come up. And so a lot of times they like to say, well, it only involved a few babies way back when. And so I have a whole series of in these depositions of showing, no, it’s not just a few babies. Way back when, it was a lot of babies and it’s still ongoing and this industry has only grown. And with that said, I was I was saying that these parents in Brooklyn, unless you want to stick on this topic, sounds like, you know, I mean.

Tucker [01:31:46] You’ve just shocked.

Aaron Siri [01:31:47] Everyone. Yeah. So we are going back to these families in Brooklyn, many of them, you know, religious first and not in different religions. Not not all of them were many of them were were ultra religious Jews, but some of them were other religions, actually, who have beliefs where they do not want to participate in with that product for the reasons we just discussed. And so they will not take the MMR vaccine. They won’t give it to our kids. They won’t take it. And so here is the city of New York. Say no, you must you must take it. I mean, if you didn’t and what they did is they went into like the registry. And if you were not in the registry as vaccinated, they hunted you down to your house and they showed up at your door and they gave you a violation for literally existing as God created you, you got as God created you just standing in your house, just existing any you violation. And so it I can’t actually supported us to represent anybody that got those violations and hundreds of people got them and we got almost all of them dismissed before the hearing. Technical stuff you served at this time.

Tucker [01:33:04] Yeah, but they were they were disproportionately ultra-Orthodox Jews from Brooklyn.

Aaron Siri [01:33:10] Yes. In this instance, yes.

Tucker [01:33:13] The good news about it, it’s a group I like in general, but they’re also politically organized. So pretty dumb of the city of New York to do that.

Aaron Siri [01:33:21] Well, yeah. I mean, there were they’re organized, but also, you know, they were very lucky in some respects in that, you know, I can which believes in informed consent. That’s an informed consent action network you know supported our firm a lot of Paulsboro would use on their behalf to defend anybody with these violations. And so they put a notice out in Yiddish in the paper, If you got a violation, just call our firm. And so they did. And like I was saying, we got most of them dismissed except for like 20. Now, we went down to the hearing. This is a long road, to answer your question from earlier, is that we went down to the hearing the. The head lawyer of the New York City Department of Health was on the other side in the hearing room defending the city of New York. And so we ended up in the hallway at one point, you know, just chatting. Very nice guy, actually, you know, actually not as much of an ideologue as a lot of the folks I encounter in health departments. And, you know, we had worked collaboratively to get most of them dismissed even before that. And, you know, lawyer to lawyer. Says to me, Why are you doing this? It’s like, I mean, I looked you up at Berkeley, clerked for the chief judge. You went too late. What? Why? You know, and this was earlier on before. I clearly was doing this work. Do you know what I mean? At this point, I. This is what I do. And I. And I said to him, this answers your question earlier. I said to him, look, you asked me a question or you said, how am I treated? Right. Do I feel like I’m out? Yes. And I said to you, But there’s a community that needs support. And so this is me finally answering that question. He said to me, Why do you do this? And I said to him, I said, look. I said. I want you to just imagine the following. Imagine a group of people in America right now, today. Pick a group, pick an ethnic group or religious group and pick a group in your mind. Okay. Now, I want you to imagine people going national television and they say the most horrific things about them and they feel no filter and say them. They talk about throwing their kids out of school. Bailing them from their jobs. They call them quacks. They call them all kinds of horrible names. They do all the things to them we say we should never do to somebody. Right? Because they’re this religion or this ethnicity or they are so forth should never do those things. I said. I said, That’s the group you’re talking about. I said, You’re talking about a group of individuals. Most people vaccinate. I said to him, Most people vaccinate. They choose to do it. Okay. Rare is the person in my mind who just wakes up one day and goes, You know what I want to do today? How much this hour vaccinate my kids so that I can be called antiquark anti-vax. Maybe get them kicked out of school, lose friends, be called anti-science. That’s what I’m going to do today. No, no. Nobody makes that decision lightly. You have to go against the social grain. And there’s a strong social grain on this, especially before pre-COVID. You have to have something pretty powerful happen to you. That’s right. To make you decide. Well. I’m not going to do that or have some seriously held beliefs or want one thing or another. And I said, This is the group of people you’re talking about. You’re talking about a group of people who typically they’re not vaccinating because their child themselves has had a somebody in their family has some kind of adverse event, some kind of bad experience. Exactly. And so they they’ve realized they overcome that social conformity to do what they think they have to do in that instance. And then to add to that injury. What does society due to them? It adds insult. It calls them names. It berates them. It throws their kids out of school. I mean, it treats them in the worst ways possible to the type of stuff we should never do to people. But that’s how those people are treated. And so when you say to me, you know, do I feel like I’ve lost friends? Yeah, yeah, I’ve lost friends. But, you know, there’s an entire community of folks out there who who are who are that? Those group I just described to you. And those folks are don’t have the government working for them. The government not only doesn’t work for them, the government fights them with DOJ attorneys. Berates them when they try to even file claims. I mean, some of the reports about the vaccine compensation program talks about the aggressiveness with some of the attorneys, you know, and how they treat some of the petitioners, the governments now working for vaccine interests, working against the vaccine, injured, literally fight against their claims. So they’re not looking out for them. Industry is not looking out for them. Who’s looking out for them? They look out for each other. And that forms a really strong community of individuals of what some call the anti-vaxxers or the medical freedom folks. Really, they’re just people who want to live their lives and they don’t want to talk about this.

Tucker [01:38:20] And worship their God.

Aaron Siri [01:38:21] Worship their God. They don’t want anything to do with the topic. They’re the ones who actually don’t typically. There are a few people who are very loud. They get all the attention, but most of the folks are former presents who’ve got issues with this. The last thing they want us to be on the radar on this topic and we represent a lot of people when it comes to these products. A lot of people are. You’re open about what you just said earlier with regards to your family and your experience of vaccines. But most people, including many famous people, are not and they don’t want to be.

Tucker [01:38:50] Yeah, I mean, I yeah, I’ve never talk about that at all.

Aaron Siri [01:38:54] So I’m okay if people don’t like me for what I do.

Tucker [01:38:58] I. Yeah, well, I’ve learned more in this interview than I expected to. And you’ve singlehandedly raised my regard for lawyers. And I never do this, but I just. I want to do it in your case. Tell us the name of your firm.

Aaron Siri [01:39:13] Sure. It is Siri & Glimstad LLP.

Tucker [01:39:16] It’s in New York.

Aaron Siri [01:39:18] We’re all over. We’re national, you know, for our vaccine practice. But we try to, you know, we help people across the whole country. So.

Tucker [01:39:29] So for people who have a family member who suffered an injury. You’re. You’re open to talking to them about. Yeah.

Aaron Siri [01:39:38] Yeah, my firm does. We do vaccine injury cases, for folks in provide vaccines. Well I just and then we also but that’s just fifth like 15 of the folks but then we do vaccine policy cases. So that’s like you know and that’s actually even more than the more folks so a lot of the cases around Covid vaccines they may have heard of like suing the FDA to get all Pfizer’s clinical trial documents. We brought that case suing on behalf. We sued on behalf of, you know, over a dozen members of Congress about mask mandates on planes. We struck down Covid vaccine mandate for school in California. So we have a big policy practice. And that dovetails with what a lot of what we’ve been talking on, which is where a lot of my work is and I find fascinating. And then we have we do vaccine exemption cases in all areas. We brought the case in against the Air Force and the Army where we got the injunction prevented one of the great honors of my life actually fighting for the people who fight for us to preserve the thing that they swear to, which is to defend the Constitution. What is the first freedom in the Bill of Rights, the rights of religion, and what did the military do? So now you don’t get to have your right, your religious beliefs with these vaccines. So it was I was truly one of the one of the great honors of my life was defend members of the military and them come to me is humbling. They’re thanking me for defending them. Well, I mean, I’m just a lawyer. I’m just going to court and, you know, and these guys just I mean, those hearings are incredible. It would brought tears to your eyes to be in those injunction hearings when those members of the military come in. And anyways, so we do we kind of do everything. And then we have and then we do our yeah, we do plaintiffs side class action stuff because, you know, there’s there is work that do we need to to make money.

Tucker [01:41:20] So is Bobby Kennedy going to get confirmed do you think?

Aaron Siri [01:41:26] I sure hope so. There’s nobody. There truly is nobody who is? His whole life experience. I believe he was put on this earth to have that role. He was. He’s prayed every day for 20 years, as he always says, to be able to help save children. And in that role, he can do it. Anybody who says, well, he’s going to disrupt, you know, the way things are working. Good. Good. We need disruption because the way things are working right now, we’ve got a country that’s got over 50% of people with a chronic health condition, often multiple conditions. You are. Did you know that? I did. Okay. And we are dead last. Pretty much on every single health metric amongst all developed countries. Despite spending almost three times as much on health care. Yes. Just think about those numbers. We are on the fast path, not only to be the sickest, sickest country. This is this is the largest decline in human health, this chronic disease explosion in recorded human history that I am aware of, that I’m aware of this 40 year chronic disease explosion. I don’t think there’s any records in recorded human history of that kind of increase. And we’re spending three times as much and we have the worst outcomes developed world. Yeah, we need to change. And Mr. Kennedy is not beholden to pharmaceutical interests. He’s not beholden to health insurance companies, not beholden to anybody. He truly just wants to do what’s right. I think it’s a rare quality. And he is he has. Gone through the fire. And he does not care what anybody says about him. He does not care. He only cares about what’s right and what’s true. And it is exactly the type of leadership and leader that we need in this country. And so, God, I hope he is confirmed.

Tucker [01:43:24] Aaron Siri, thank you very much.

Aaron Siri [01:43:26] All right. Thank you.